Vindicates: With The Lovers’ Proposition
We can go through the rest of our lives
running through one relationship after the next
never getting it right
and maybe one day having a child by accident
or because of a hasty decision or desparate moment
married to someone who we thought was different
like all of our previous lies and denials
or we can decide today …
consciously …
clearly …
to have at least one child
with … someone who is … worthy
someone … even if we may never marry
someone who will be there for us even
if it’s merely in times of tarry
or during our trials … for they’ve already
proven … their love
we each have one … of them
maybe it’s a friend … denied
maybe an ex we ran … from
or someone we could not stand
yet … they stood by our sides
and remained in our lives
unwaivering … even as we focused on others
a true lover
you decide …
do you want to lose the truth …
in order to live a lie?
is your fantasy or denial
more important than your reality?
will you be only a victim of chance?
will your life be merely a product of circumstance?
who will you stand by?
who will you let stand by you?
with all of the insecurity …
when will you allow yourself to be … certain?
or are you only worth fleeting moments?
- Prasand J.
Phoebe Pike
on August 3rd, 2007
Sad, but meaningful.
Prasand J.
on August 3rd, 2007
Maybe I should kill the music, I think it distracts. Why did you find it to be sad?
Sabine
on August 3rd, 2007
I muted the music by the third line … lol
Phoebe Pike
on August 3rd, 2007
The music might not be the best for it… lol
It’s sad because it’s obvious it was written from experiance and not from logic. It’s sad knowing not everyone will find someone like that.
Prasand J.
on August 4th, 2007
wow @ looking for. You don’t have anyone that stood by your side through the test of time?
I disabled the music. It’s still there, they just have to click play now. Thing is I only usually add music when I type to it … to promote the mode that I was in. I typed this in silence, then thought of adding the song after.
smh.
Prasand J.
on August 4th, 2007
Actually it was written from logic. I never made those mistakes. I’ve always been aware of the decision. It came about because of a conversation I was having with one of my childhood exs in a dream about the things she was doing. The conversation was warm, so the words came out as such. However, it’s a perspective I’ve spoken over the years to many people I know. Just never conveyed it like that. The only experience I can say I have is that … most people are afraid of dating their close friend.
I’m not. Shit, I’m the one that plays with the possibility or brings it up. lmfao. Though I wasn’t always, some joked about it … like “I really should stop bothering with these guys and just marry you.” To which I’d say … “okay.” However, they wouldn’t have the guts to actually go through with it. However, we were in highschool at the time.
In general, people are afraid of making sane decisions. Things which are clear.
Sabine
on August 4th, 2007
ah @ music.
Yes, looking for. No one has been around in such a way.
Prasand J.
on August 4th, 2007
It takes two to stand by … to hold on. The fact that you do not have such a person, says a lot about your own actions or choices.
Phoebe Pike
on August 5th, 2007
Sane decisions… what if most find it mad to be with the one you love because everyone knows it won’t last mor then a few years?
Even if it was from logic, experiance doesn’t mean it happened to you, you might have seen others that way.
Is it truly love if they can’t follow through? <– Just a thought.
Prasand J.
on August 5th, 2007
That’s the thing, it is mad. The reality is, what society finds to be the norm is sanity. Yet, society is one where people will search religiously for the qualities that their friends have … in people who are opposite of them. Since the logic “opposites attract” is a rule that many follow. They do not realize that the things they desire, the person they are with is not even capable of because they’re opposite.
They are used to a certain type of passion. One born from conflict since those who are opposite “oppose”. It is only in time, that as one accepts themselves … that they seek one who shares the similar qualities (while still mantaining some diversity) … thus, compliments. Someone suited to be a friend because they get us, but yet … one who never entered the realm. For once someone gets into the position of being a very good friend … the fears of “losing the friendship” and others … such as the lack of passion … kicks in. Though people don’t realize … there’s another kind of intense passion, that is not born from conflict. However, it’s achieved only when we submit. Which is, one of the most scariest notions to the ego @ true submission … and one of the most difficult things to do. For even one who’s passive can still submit.
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As far as lasting more than a few years. Ummm that’s a social delusion created because people repeatingly make poor decisions. It doesn’t last because of the people they pick, and their inability to stand by each other. Let’s say that they survive the conflicts, etc … and the passion is lost. The drive and desire is gone. The reason why is because they picked someone where there wasn’t more that actually bonded them. There wasn’t more about the person that actually moved them. Hence, my earlier statements.
Poor decisions.
Though this entry isn’t about “being with a friend” at all. This entry is about making a conscious choice of love, instead of being a victim. It can be a friend, it can be an enemy or an ex … anyone who’s proven themselves to be worthy of us. It is that decision which is sane, to give ourselves to one who’s worthy. Yet, people repeatingly give themselves to those who are not. So I ask, “what are you worth?” However, even that is insane. Since it’s the standard to give yourself to someone unworthy, thus giving yourself to someone worthy is crazy to them … even if the person isn’t a friend.
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@ your last thought.
Yes.
I also used to believe that in order for love to be true, one must have the strength to do it and follow through. Yet, that’s a bit idealistic and completely unrealistic. The reality is … love comes in varying degrees, and in each degree it comes in … it’s true … for love is love even if it’s purely mental … it just may not be the extreme. Then, even if love is non-mental and extreme … one’s mind is still capable of denying it. Since the fear which comes with such an extreme love, is just as powerful and moving as the extreme love itself. True vulnerability is defeaningly scary, and blindingly beautiful.
Anyone who’s felt it … knows the fear very well.
It’s probably the scariest thing anyone will ever experience in their life. The ability to follow through is purely about if they are able to overcome their ego. One can say if they truly love then they will muster the will to do so … but that is also idealistic, and completely unrealistic. We live in a society where people do not regularly demonstrate skills of strong will. It takes one to learn how to do it. Even though I’m one of the advocates of one not playing the victim, I still know that unless one knows how to do it … it’s near impossible for them to. Which is why I break down the steps to overcoming fear. I don’t just say one is a victim, I break down why they are so they can see what’s there.
Others would just say they are a victim and believe they can just change that fact. Though regardless of my attempt to show it, many do not see it. Since their ego won’t accept that they are making themselves the victim, or won’t identify with the reality of being the victim.
Such is life.
Sabine
on August 5th, 2007
I agree.
And yes, this would be either the first or second, I can’t remember either.
Prasand J.
on August 5th, 2007
I’m curious … what do you do that prevents you from having such people?
Catherine
on August 5th, 2007
i believe in this indefinitely. already knew those second-best lovers on the lower rungs of the ladder, the ones you push to the side just in case you might choose someday, the ones who never give up on you even when they fall in love- you are always their first love. I have many of them. however, i do question the gift of children. i never believed that having a child with someone who is, or is not worthy, really makes a difference, for i believe it is the child that chooses us. it just comes down to whether or not you choose to complete their decision.
Prasand J.
on August 6th, 2007
Of course … a mother tends to think differently after having a child. You as a single-mother have already come to terms with your decision … and love your children immensely. You wouldn’t love them any less regardless of the situation. However, there are plenty of people who say it was an accident. Plenty of people who think differently. That wonder what it would’ve been like. There are plenty of people who are afraid of that happening. Especially men. Then there are plenty of women who do not want to have a child with a man who will not be there. So I ask them … what will you decide?
Now in regards to those second-best lovers. I actually wasn’t talking about the fans … I specifically said someone who is worthy. Those lap dogs that would lick your boots, aren’t worthy of anything more than a bullet to their head to put them out of their misery. Maybe I should’ve more directly addressed them … but they were too insignificant to acknowledge at that moment. I wouldn’t recommend breeding with such men … opps my bad … guys even if your life depended on it. I was actually talking about the only real lovers a person has. The ones you have a very strong relationship with. Those worthy of being called companions.
and when I say that I mean someone close enough to you to be judged by different standards. Maybe even someone who redefines standards.
Sabine
on August 6th, 2007
I’m curious as well. I might have to reflect on this.
Prasand J.
on August 24th, 2007
Many focus on a specific kind of passion. A passion spawned due to the clashing of personalities and existences … for our society thrives on the premise that opposites attract. Which is indeed true … but it’s only complimentary existences which can perpetually move. If the latter can be found, and security maintained in that moment of vulnerability … without allowing our egos to create problems that don’t have to exist … we reap the benefits of another kind of passion.
Just as intense, but less obvious because it’s not born from conflict … but instead found in utter and complete submission. Letting go of ourselves, and allowing ourselves to be controlled by the moment. Truly. Utterly. Tranquil passion. It takes security for passion to be found in tranquility. It takes appreciation, focus, and the realization that some dreams are anti-productive and destructive. In the moment we truly see it or experience it … we realize just how many true lovers we let pass before … since we were so focused on conflict, addicted to drama.
Funny.
Lola
on August 24th, 2007
the brutality of this visual is as real as it gets…the twisted wires, both frayed and strong, can get tangled to the point of oblivion…to the point of confusion, toward a state of indefinite, recycled, and cycling, existence. sometimes we don’t know “love” even if it were a snake staring us in the face. So, we seek, some fumble around like blind babies on filthy floors…hoping for the little scraps that appear to be lights in a dark room, a little hint, smell of false textures.
Lola
on August 24th, 2007
it is the responsibility of the individual to distinguish between four things…this term we throw around kind of loosely…PASSION…and then, of course, EMOTION but then very importantly, physical chemistry-attraction. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY true love-commitment. emotional outbursts are usually short lived while passion lives on even after the death of a connection (the point of detrminent someties). then there is familiarity, convenience, and comfort that we mistake for “love”. Phsyical chemistry is a tricky little bastard. We all know this. The fact is, we tend to either over-analyze, or under-analyze the true meaning of “connectivity” and utlimately, love. Love is hard work. It is an artform, lost these days. It seems people simply give up instead of giving in. Humility is so under-rated. The ability to take it for the long-haul and figure out ways to keep love alive. Compromise. Empathy. Putting self aside. Of course, there are times, when people do indeed love so hard they can’t let go of the deadened corpse. I relish the intrigue behind these things simply because it is part of educating and revelation as we grow upon this intense hot planet earth, or temporary home. I guess if we can get an inkling of what this all means, we can find spiritual love in the end.
Lola
on August 24th, 2007
one more thing…I think it is impossible for insecurity to beget security…just a thought. (know what I mean?)
Prasand J.
on August 24th, 2007
I love the way you put that, and have nothing to add. It left me completely satisfied.
Prasand J.
on August 24th, 2007
This on the other hand … spawned thought, rather than satisfaction.
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There are always at least two roads to every destination. One way, and it’s compliment. Just as there are two types of secure beings. One who’s ignorant, and the other who’s aware. We’re born secure … but learn to be insecure, and that insecurity does not birth security … but rather … we reach a point in time where we’re able to be ourselves. To such an extent that we can let go of ourselves and our identity / insecurity. That newfound indifference is being secure and aware … a pleasurable stillness. However, a person who’s insecure cannot learn security … since the more insecure we become the more we lose ourselves, and security is the reflection of accepting ourselves … and others.
Security exists before insecurity. The latter part is just us trying to find our way back home … after being gone for so long.
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Hrm … I wonder if the locks were changed.
Mr. Zen
on September 13th, 2007
This blog sums up the the differences between manz need for phyiscal love & a womens need for mental love. If ever we find a balance & follow something more bigger, brighter & more forfilling we may just make it.
I 4 1, hand of heart walked every single one of those words.
Until I chose 2 be certain. The need 2 have ’someone’ is a strong calling. Until U realise the desire 2 be U. At which point your life stop being a design of circumstance, but a journey of choice. At which point you realise simply, what love is & could be…
Inspiring blog 4 sure…
Prasand J.
on October 22nd, 2007
Interesting way to put that. I liked that. Thank you.
Prasand J.
on October 22nd, 2007
I wonder if you did so.